# Repetitive strain injury logbook **URL:** \ **Category:** Mission Operations\ **Created:** [September 11, 2021, 6:07am UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74 "2021-09-11T06:07:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 6:07am UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/1 "2021-09-11T06:07:20Z")
_note: this is the logbook. See \<\> for my main summary._ Beginning before 2020, I began to experience pain and weakness in my hands and forearms. That year I overused my hands further. By mid-2021 I was essentially not able to type more than a paragraph on a keyboard at a time. I noticed I had trouble holding dishes or a pen normally. I would wake up with numb and tingling hands and arms. After a number of months things felt q bit better. I managed my typing somewhat deliberately for the next few years. As of 2025, my hands have stabilized to an equilibrium where RSI has faded to a background concern. ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 3:25am UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/2 "2022-08-31T03:25:46Z")
While I found the advice from the regular (seemingly more sports-focused) physiotherapist helpful, I wanted to know a bit more about what was wrong with my hands - I wanted to talk to an expert in hand RSI. I found an occupational therapist in town that seemed to have good expertise - actually, I found two, but the first did not reply. While I had pain on the days bracketing, I did not type much before the appointment, and presented symptom-free. Contrary to the appointment I had some 8 months ago, the test involving tapping on the wrist (I believe this is called Tinel’s sign) did not cause numbness and tingling to propagate up my hand - to the contrary, there was no response at all. None of his tests were positive, starkly contrasting as well with the previous physio appointments ~6 months ago, where most tests clearly induced dull pain. The “Q-tip” nerve glide pain was nonexistent at this time - I mentioned forearm pain and pain in the palm - he seemed confused by the palm pain. I had a small amount of pain when gripping the grip-strength tester. The therapist’s suggestion was that I previously had both tendinitis (tendinopathy) and carpal tunnel, but the carpal tunnel had now resolved. He recommended the following regimen (“since you aren’t currently in pain”). I don’t think it’s a good idea for other people to follow this blindly - he was careful to point out - 5 lb weight Table edge front curls back curls 8 - 12 reps - pain free arc My arms both currently have a lot of weakness pulling the weight up foam Ball squeesing, hard, same reps, once per day, both hands, don’t over do it Ball I can close strneth Pulling exersizes He also stressed that there should be no pressure on wrists while typing. ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 3:39am UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/3 "2022-08-31T03:39:36Z")
_Accuracy of Provocative Tests for Carpal Tunnel Syndrome_ [10.1016/j.jhsg.2020.03.002](http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jhsg.2020.03.002) Great paper. ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 4:07am UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/4 "2022-08-31T04:07:49Z")
Here’s an observation: Before writing the above comment, did the “Q-tip” nerve glide. I did not have the symptom I reported before - a dull “stretching” feeling in the pads of the last two fingers - in my right hand. Now, after writing it, my right forearms are feeling poor, I have tried it again - and I have the symptom. Clear, unmistakable. This is not really very meaningful, but it’s interesting. ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 4:50am UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/5 "2022-09-05T04:50:54Z")
Tried a cheap pen tablet. Haven’t got the settings and palm rest set up in a comfortable manner yet, but some people say it works for them. Scrolling a mouse is one repetitive action. Push-to-scroll features (autoscroll) I also bought an MX Ergo trackball mouse for work, though I’m a bit concerned that my thumb will get worn this way. spacemouse-like methods ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 4:55am UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/6 "2022-09-05T04:55:05Z")
Up arrow - enter for scripts, replaced with ‘gravekey’, seems to work well. I often take my hands off the keyboard to move the arrow keys. I don’t really have a modifier key Backspace is another issue ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 4:58am UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/7 "2022-09-05T04:58:11Z")
I (along with other people online) am surprised that logitech designed the k860 with such a prominent wrist rest - the conventional wisdom I am aware of is that your wrist shouldn’t be in contact with anything. The only concern I have when using it is that the numberpad makes the board a little wide, which many of the microsoft sculpt boards don’t have. I haven’t actually had any issues with this in practice though. The keyboard is also significantly higher than a standard board, so you might need to be careful with your desk height. Logitech have an ergo setup guide online for this specific keyboard which is helpful. Edit: after ~4 months using a K860 at work and at home, I’ve had no issues with it. The mouse distance has not turned out to be a concern for my workflow. ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 5:03am UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/8 "2022-09-05T05:03:08Z")
home row (hjkl) arrow-keys is something I might want to get used to. There are lists of assitive or accessible- mouse options. Talonvoice ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/9 "2022-09-05T19:49:56Z")
Found a video where I’m struggling with RSI in the right hand in june 2020 June 29 - left arm, right arm is fine, after abiut 3 days of doing EPU python. Pain is in the forearm, about a quarter of the way down, and the inside palm is tingling aa bit. Pain at the right joint, carried heavy groceries and heavy laptop bag on shoulder and hand Aug 8 - had to stop at 8 pm, didn’t type hard, right wrist and forearm cold pain; Aug 9; left palm, pad of pinkie and the finger beside it Forearm Aug 10: fairly bad but mad it through the day. Both hands but mouse hand far worse. sscrolling mousewheel but also page Shooting numbnews if I hunch shoulders and touch nerve under arm Could I hire a typist? Might keep me focused too… Aug 13: very bad. Worst in 6 months. Didn’t type much today but I overdid it last week. No heavy lifting recently. shoulder numb, muscles, etc severe pain when closing finger at inside wrist-forearm, also behind the arm aug 15: so, so bad. bought ergo keyboard. just made it through the day. Really just want to learn if there are excersizes Nerve glides He says it’s tendonopathy + carpal tunnel before but that test was negative now Aug 24: worked till 1 the night before. Programmed from 9:30 to 5 pm, right wrist got progressively worse over the day. ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/10 "2022-09-05T21:44:02Z")
“but came up with scheduled breaks and also changed my posture” [Split and ortholinear did nothing for my RSI](https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=115670.0#:~:text=but%20came%20up%20with%20scheduled%20breaks%20and%20also%20changed%20my%20posture) Split and ortholinear did nothing for my RSI ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 9:56pm UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/11 "2022-09-05T21:56:18Z")
“Perform two-key commands with two hands; rather than stretching to reach shift and another key with the same hand, use both hands” [Brown CS: Preventing RSI](https://cs.brown.edu/about/system/ergo/prevention/#:~:text=Perform%20two%2Dkey%20commands%20with%20two%20hands%3B%20rather%20than%20stretching%20to%20reach%20shift%20and%20another%20key%20with%20the%20same%20hand%2C%20use%20both%20hands) ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 9:56pm UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/12 "2022-09-05T21:56:50Z")
[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8486013](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8486013) ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:35am UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/13 "2022-09-11T03:35:22Z")
> > > I imagine you have considered this previously, but having had a quick look I don…'t see any dependencies that would prevent this project building for Linux now that .NET is available. I may be completely wrong about that, but thought it would be quicker for you to tell me whether Linux support is possible rather than me going digging. > > This seems like a really cool project and I would love to see it support more platforms than just Windows. ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:36am UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/14 "2022-09-11T03:36:46Z")
> **[GitHub - trishume/PolyMouse: Fusion of gaze and head tracking for fast &...](https://github.com/trishume/PolyMouse)** > > Fusion of gaze and head tracking for fast & accurate hands-free pointing - GitHub - trishume/PolyMouse: Fusion of gaze and head tracking for fast & accurate hands-free pointing ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:41am UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/15 "2022-09-11T03:41:11Z")
I wonder if something like the razer orbweaver, for the left hand, wouldn’t be a good idea, particularly because of the thumb that could be used for scrolling. ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:41am UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/16 "2022-09-11T03:41:37Z")
foot pedals, can cause rsi themselves though ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:42am UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/17 "2022-09-11T03:42:18Z")
learning Vim might be a good idea to minimize keystrokes for general editing tasks or some other advanced multi-cursor ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/18 "2024-04-20T19:42:19Z")
14 posts were merged into an existing topic: [EyeMouse](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/eyemouse/192/2) ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 11:45pm UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/21 "2022-09-11T23:45:28Z")
I wish there were more macro keys in the “hot zone” around the g and h keys. one could then map hjkl to arrow keys and mode-switch without needing the pinkie. I wonder if I can re-wire the split spacebar on the k860 to printscreen or something ---
**Author:** ![0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/user_avatar/forum.0xdbfb7.com/0xdbfb7/32/7_2.png) [@0xDBFB7](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/u/0xDBFB7)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 12:20am UTC](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74/22 "2022-09-12T00:20:33Z")
wanted to map various keys to get Alt+hjkl or F3+hjkl arrow keys. However, chrome doesn’t respect maps. > but… > _Sorry, you can’t use ‘setkeycodes’ on USB keyboards. They don’t use the_ > _PS/2 protocol, and hence it doesn’t make sense._ [Next page](http://forum.0xdbfb7.com/t/repetitive-strain-injury-logbook/74.md?page=2)